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Post by mustangpride on Sept 10, 2015 20:41:55 GMT -5
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Post by North Coast 707 on Sept 10, 2015 21:47:32 GMT -5
Makes sense but too bad for the small town NCL and SCL schools... should be interesting to see what Marin Catholic chooses to do
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Post by mc415 on Sept 10, 2015 23:01:29 GMT -5
I hope MC stays up at least for this year
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Post by mustangpride on Sept 10, 2015 23:15:59 GMT -5
Makes sense but too bad for the small town NCL and SCL schools... should be interesting to see what Marin Catholic chooses to do Especially have to feel bad for Ft Bragg and St Helena. Both have very good teams this year. St Helena's enrollment is 505, just above the DV cutoff.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Sept 11, 2015 0:22:00 GMT -5
I can understand why some coaches are unhappy but I don't blame CN, I blame the 'better let everyone play' state bowls. Now all you have to do is win a section title to be in a state game. I think that is terrible. At that point, why petition up if you goal is to get to state. I thought it was funny that they mentioned Elsie Allen is not happy with Newman's decision. Those in glass houses should not cast stones. Elise needs to fix their own program before they talk about others.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Sept 11, 2015 8:45:40 GMT -5
I disagree with most of you. The purpose of having divisions is to even the playing field. Look at all of the smaller privates in the PAC 5 in So Cal. Serra Gardena for instance has 648 students. They play in the Pac 5 where most of the publics have over 3,000 students. They are there because they can compete well in this division. Sure, they could have stayed down in a lower division and continued to dominate inferior competition, but why? I'm not suggesting that CN should be in D1 by any means, but they can certainly be very successful in D3 and D2. The second issue is that they are in a small school division with actual small schools in small towns. These schools play with kids from there town, they don't have an entire county and beyond to draw from. Sure, CN can follow the weaker private school football programs such as Justin or St. Mary's, but CN and a school like Marin C are a few steps above those privates. Who cares if they go to state for the small school division? Now that they have moved down, anything less than a state championship is a failure. It looks to me that they are ducking competition. CN is a great program, and has an outstanding coach, but this decision is a bad look for them.
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Post by footballfan on Sept 11, 2015 11:37:02 GMT -5
Agree with 4thqtrcomeback completely. simply put you want to say your the best you play the best.
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Post by mc415 on Sept 11, 2015 14:13:15 GMT -5
Part of the allure of CN and MC is that your a small school that is well respected and plays big boy football. No one is impressed by beating up smaller teams from small towns.....CN and MC are always top 4 D3 team so why not keep playing with tough completion ? Wow u blast Justin or Piedmont in the D4 finals, Yay how exciting *yawns*
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Post by underdog on Sept 11, 2015 20:27:25 GMT -5
So it is okay for Central Catholic to do it and win 3 in a row. But if we want to send our best teams out of NCS to play them we are wrong. I understand what you are saying, but other sections aren't playing by those rules.
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Post by mc415 on Sept 11, 2015 23:06:26 GMT -5
So it is okay for Central Catholic to do it and win 3 in a row. But if we want to send our best teams out of NCS to play them we are wrong. I understand what you are saying, but other sections aren't playing by those rules. It's okay for them to play D4 but cmon they are selling themselves short, who really is impressed by CN beating Middletown? I think beating Campo is much more of an accomplishment
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Post by scobserver on Sept 11, 2015 23:32:01 GMT -5
Revolting ploy by Newman, and the prime example of why many despise them. If Newman thinks they "belong" in D4, then they should apply to be a member of the NCL I.
People--though enrollment figures may be similar, there is a giant difference between private schools in urban areas and genuinely small town schools. It is simply unsporting to make honest small town schools compete with monsters like Newman. I find it pointless to try to argue with those who hide behind their hypocricy by pretending enrollment figures is "fair" way to set up competition.
Cronin a real cretin so desperate to have "state champion" on his resume that he sets it up so his team has to win only one real playoff game to make it there.
So sad for Fort Bragg and St. Helena and all real small schools, they need to withdraw from CIF and set up their own association. CIF likely could not survive financially without all the ticket sales from small town schools, who get nothing in return.
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Post by scobserver on Sept 11, 2015 23:46:18 GMT -5
Ben--Nobody from Elsie ever commented, the reporter just mentioned them (and Healdsburg) as an example of a D4 school. I think Elsie is quite aware of their difficulties and challenges, which somebody from Newman could never begin to comprehend.
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Post by mustangpride on Sept 12, 2015 12:08:33 GMT -5
I don't think anyone should be upset at Newman for not petitioning up. We should be discussing how to level the playing field between private and public schools. I just watched perhaps the most talented Middletown team in the last 5-6 years not even be competitive against Salesian last week and Berean Christian last night. My prediction is every division in the NCS will be won by a private school (Clayton Valley is charter and have a different set of enrollment rules as well) and the runner ups from D IV and V will be private as well.
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Post by mc415 on Sept 12, 2015 13:18:44 GMT -5
I don't think anyone should be upset at Newman for not petitioning up. We should be discussing how to level the playing field between private and public schools. I just watched perhaps the most talented Middletown team in the last 5-6 years not even be competitive against Salesian last week and Berean Christian last night. My prediction is every division in the NCS will be won by a private school (Clayton Valley is charter and have a different set of enrollment rules as well) and the runner ups from D IV and V will be private as well. That's the problem D3 is the most competive division in terms of Public vs private, that what makes it my favorite. Rancho, El Cerrito, campo, las lomas,etc lots of competive balance
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Post by bella on Sept 12, 2015 13:29:36 GMT -5
I do agree D3 was a very competitive division (much more so than D2) and probably the best bracket outside the Pac5 in the state.
I wouldnt call this "revolting" by Nemwan, little dramatic. In fact Newman isn't doing anything wrong other than playing where they have been slotted to. If anything I place blame on the NCS, for not having anything in place so something like this doesn't happen. The writing was on the wall when the state went to a everybody gets a trophy 13 division star bowl games. Makes sense with the current set up, not that I like it.
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