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Post by tripper on Nov 23, 2015 22:29:11 GMT -5
Perkins is a chump.. Well documented and proven every time he opens his foolish mouth.. The reality is most every other coach would just prepare to play the game and go with a multiple level game plan to unleash.. Perkins gave up knowing IF they beat St Helena they'd play MC. His mentor Jack Moyer was 20 times the coach he is.. Foltmer from Middletown would realize it's a tall order.. Yet GAMEPLAN to win the game.. Not submit! Here is the reality.. IF both MC and Newman make it through this weekend.. It's the game we have ALL been waiting to see! That's IF they both win! This weekends match ups will be good too! All in all, D4 and D5 sports are the toughest divisions in high school sports! I have said it before and will say it again.. These are the cards dealt! You wanna win a championship in these divisions?! BE PREPARED TO BEAT A PRIVATE SCHOOL ALONG THE WAY!! Recognize the task.. Be at ease with it.. Then ACHIEVE IT!
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Post by mc415 on Nov 23, 2015 23:36:55 GMT -5
mc415 your response here is example one why there is such a backlash against Private School. You are acting like a spoiled brat. Myself I don't that big of problem with MC or CN in Division 4. I can understand the argument against it. What is a travesty is any NCL I team is in the same division. The NCS should be ashamed about for most of all the first round playoff games and they should be ashamed of letting this game happen. What I said is true sorry buddy. Could you imagine being in war and your commanding officer saying "well the enemy is far superior too us let's just give up I have no faith in you", get out of here.......cowardice has no place on the football field and that's not being a "spoiled brat" or "private school" that's life......JJ if your reality is that you get to call your shots and always take the easy route than more power to you, but most accomplished people relish a challenge.......they don't tuck tail and cry when roadblocks are put in front of them
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Post by savage12 on Nov 24, 2015 0:57:48 GMT -5
Fort Bragg went against a straight flush... That's hard to beat... Would have like to see them matched against fortuna... Will see how thay do against Cardinal Newman...
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Post by northcoastfan on Nov 24, 2015 3:52:43 GMT -5
Call it whining, complaining or the truth but I find it funny that Jack Moyer was ripped for speaking his mind to the press for years and now Roy Perkins is carrying on the tradition. Don't forget Moyer was ripped on this site and others for venting after his final game about division IV enrollment being expanded. Moyer was on the sidelines and might have said something similar if a reporter had asked him what he thought about Fort Bragg playing Marin Catholic the other day.
I know they were listed as head coach and assistant coach all those years but I'm not sure I would describe the relationship between Moyer and Perkins as a mentor/pupil. They seem to be close in age and are great friends on and off the field. They coached together for somewhere around 25 years while winning numerous league and section championships.
By the way....
What makes Moyer 20 times the coach?
Because I'm thinking maybe 5 to 10, but not 20.
Good stuff.
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Post by jj on Nov 24, 2015 6:16:17 GMT -5
No. 1 he never threw in the white flag. He said what he said, which I agreed with, but the Fort Bragg brass thought they had a chance. I did to until the moment I got to the game. Marin Catholic had two times more players and were two times as big. As soon as I saw that I knew what I was about to see wasn't going to be pretty. There was even an ambulance needed. Fortunately that kid will survive. NCS got there money and that is all they are worried about in these playoffs. They sure aren't worried about kids safety.
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Post by scobserver on Nov 24, 2015 8:34:08 GMT -5
Very unfair to say FB "gave up." And I give Perkins credit for speaking out, I think he speaks for many small town coaches.
An even bigger question--why are rural small town schools even members of the CIF? Rather than a separate division for private schools, a better solution is to have a separate federation for rural schools. A "State of Jefferson" so to speak for remote schools in North Coast, Northern sections, and so forth.
Because it IS unfair to have genuine small town schools play private schools---or charter schools, or public schools within "open enrollment" districts, or public schools where enrollment areas are no longer really enforced and kids informally "reside" in a neighboring school with fake addresses, etc. All are true nowadays. It's only more obvious when towns like FB face schools like MC or CN because, well, it IS kind of greasers vs. socs. And movie goers root for the greasers.
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Post by tripper on Nov 24, 2015 8:56:36 GMT -5
I would like to point out that ferndale has an enrollment of less than 250 and has numerous D4 titles. Great coaching creates a buzz and in turn championships. Now these small schools play D5 but that is no weaker because so do the Salesians, Valley Christians etc.. BTW Moyer won the D4 title vs Justin Sienna before they even took the field! They picked out that justin liked the rolling start and wasn't set for 1 second before snapping the ball.. This resulted in numerious offside calls.. It took away 80+ yards from a high powered offense.. THATS great coaching! Find your opponents weakness on tape and exploit it!
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Post by scobserver on Nov 24, 2015 22:38:22 GMT -5
tripper, for every Ferndale that manages a rare win over a private school power, there are 50 Kelseyvilles or Potter Valleys....even a great program like Fort Bragg is a forgone conclusion against most privates.
You also overestimate the supply and ease of finding exceptional coaches (Team losing? Pick up a great coach at the market!) and underestimate the importance of talented players (and talented players with a stable family life.) Even a great coach can get a team so far without real talent.
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Post by jj on Nov 24, 2015 22:41:15 GMT -5
What year exactly did Ferndale win the Division 4 championship>? I don't see it. Unless you call Class A Division 4. If that is what you call Division 4 fort Bragg won four straight of those in the 90's.
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Post by savage12 on Nov 25, 2015 0:37:57 GMT -5
So how do you put a multiplayer on the private schools? The privates have advantages but there not all juggernauts like Cardinal Newman and Marin Catholic. Many privates look to be in there rightfull division... It was pretty unfortunate for fort Bragg 25 less students there in division 5... They have lots of championships to fall back on... It just wasint there year
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Post by tripper on Nov 25, 2015 8:52:35 GMT -5
Yes the division A is basically D4. Fort Bragg used to play in a far tougher division as well. The truth is in our areas there used to be an industry that produced much tougher kids. The timber industry failure has put a huge loss on football programs in numbers and in natural strength. I can appreciate the debate here.. Granted Newman and MC are state bowl caliber teams and do have a distinct advantage vs small rural schools. I am sure the CIF will look into it but the really is its nothing new. I think what rubbed this guy wrong was 81 points followed by WE CANT WIN!! Before the game starts and just blatant sour grapes by Perkins.. I have nothing but respect for the young men who take the field on Friday and Saturday. But in the end as a coach you are preparing men to STEP UP in the face of adversity as a coach.. There is WAY more than teaching the kids the Ray 24 Power.. Happy Thanksgiving guys!
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Post by savage12 on Nov 25, 2015 10:34:00 GMT -5
81-0 is wrong... I think that just about everyone would be sour grapes after that... Some times coaches tend to put I couple extra scores on there rival... But how do you justify that score? I'm sure coach Perkins could have gave his boys a lesson on ball control and juiced the game... What happend to the running clock?
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Post by bella on Nov 25, 2015 11:19:46 GMT -5
First off I don't want to bash any of the Fort Bragg kids, great season! But I got to admit I shake my head at their "leader". We can argue all day whether it is right, wrong or indifferent that CN, MC and the likes are in D4 this year. But it won't change anything, they are. I'd expect the person in charge to show external confidence, whether or not imternaly he may feel different. But to complain before the game is even played, what type of confidence does that instill in your kids?
I wasn't there, but reading through the lines the Willits game (81-0) was some type of "lesson" or "payback" regarding how the JV game was handled? Well then just be consistent, “Our section talks about competitive equity,” he said. “Was there competitive equity here today? We were 11-0, and in playoffs we become cannon fodder for bigger schools. It’s a travesty. This is a violent sport and our system is broken. There has got to be a better way.”
Competitive equity? Larger school? Didn't they schedule and play Del Norte pre-season? 1051 CBED, even throw in a multiplayer for MC (715 CBED) and it's the same numbers. I agree it is a violent sport, I think we all can, but it was all 16-18 year olds on the field. There is always a safety risk, but it is the job of a coaching and training staff to help alieviate some of those concerns.
Better way, not happy with the system? Ok coach, you might be right. Now it's up to you to be part of the solution to fix it. But don't start before the games are even played. I have to think part of it is the coach knew his team had several short comings and were not a championship caliber team. I can see where it is easier to blast the system than to admit that. But I still think he needed to show more confidence going in. I think he owed that to the young men who suited up for him.
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Post by resistance on Nov 28, 2015 0:38:28 GMT -5
Congratulations Fortuna. The div 4 public school / fair rules champion. Outstanding effort, outstanding game, outstanding season, in the face of unreasonable private school loop hole favoritism. That effort will go down in the history books, and print that 2015 championship asterix in BOLD text.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Nov 28, 2015 1:03:38 GMT -5
Wow Resistance, tell us how you really feel....
Enrollment: Fortuna: 823 C. Newman: 609
Record prior to the game: Fortuna: 12 wins, zero losses C. Newman: 10 wins, two losses
Both are league champions.
Final Score: 43-42 with Newman being down by 14 points with 6 minutes remaining.
Unreasonable? Loop hole? Favoritism?! PLEASE...
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