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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 10, 2009 21:53:45 GMT -5
This is exactly why Newman is in trouble. Look at Palmas offense alone, Oliverria is going to do very well this season, and so it their QB.
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Post by newmanfan on Aug 10, 2009 23:02:15 GMT -5
How did Monty v Rancho turn out last year?
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Post by norcalsportsfan on Aug 11, 2009 1:06:49 GMT -5
Palma's year will come down to defense. The years they have won CCS D1 championships, they have had stifling defenses. That is the questionmark the last few years. I think Palma varsity will be better in 2-3 years. The frosh class is suppose to be very talented with lots of athletes. Since the school goes from 7th grade on, it's easy to see when a class has athletes. This season's team will be competitive, but they will have a battle in their league with Salinas High (very strong class), Gilroy (very good offense) and North Salinas High (very physical and athletic and now very discipline with third year former Palma player as coach). I think Palma will be the slight favorite, but it could easily be another year of co-champs in the TCAL. It looks like CN will be similar to Palma in that there will be a few very good athletes, but lack of depth. Palma will probably have at least 4-5 two way starters. Newman QB Jack should be very good. The backup is my college roommates brother's son, and Sean Sullivan's cousin. I think he will be pretty good when it's his time to start. Salinas sports complex is a tough place to play. The stadium is vast, and crowd is far back from the field. I like the view, but it's not as intimate as CN's stadium. It's where the CA rodeo is held. Even DLS hasn't looked extremely sharp playing there, but that was a pretty good Palma team that tied them. Next season's team won't be in the caliber, but they should be a good test. I'm looking foward to the game and a continued series.
If CN wants a big test, they should schedule St Francis -Mountain View (WCAL) instead of Serra or Valley Christian. SF is going to be very tough in 2010/2011-2012/2013. Serra and Valley Christian should be good tests. VC has a soph this year that played on varsity as a frosh. His older brother will be going to Arizona State. His younger brother B. Marshall might be one of the biggest recruits to come out of CCS by his senior year...he's big and fast and incredible track talent as a frosh (one of the fastest 200M times in the section as a frosh). Any of those programs are good tests.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 11, 2009 13:06:40 GMT -5
Would be great to see Newman playing the WCAL again, regardless of who it is. Im still hoping for Serra, but St. Francis would be fine too.
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Post by newmanfan on Aug 11, 2009 21:48:34 GMT -5
I wou;d like to see San Ramon V Newman.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 11, 2009 23:58:57 GMT -5
No way! San Ramon is a Div I program, CN is Div. III playing Div. II.
Newman has ~450 students, San Ramon has what, 2200?!?!
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Post by newmanfan on Aug 12, 2009 8:30:29 GMT -5
When they played in Oakland Newman surprised them in the first half Sr didnt know what hit em.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Aug 12, 2009 9:46:08 GMT -5
I personally think CN should be playing D1. Cronin has these guys playing at such a high level, they could compete. If they have a competitive advantage over all the D2 schools in the area, which has also been proved on the field since Cronin has been there, then why not step up? Also, by playing D1, they would probably attract more players, and their program could get even better. Who wouldn't want a shot at the best competition possible if you are competitive? The enrollment argument simply gets thrown out the window when you are a private and can draw from all over.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 12, 2009 13:16:28 GMT -5
Newman may have an edge over Div. III, but an edge over Div. II schools that have 3 and 4X their enrollment is pushing it. Newman playing Div I would be a mistake and not fair to those playing for Newman. A school with 450 students shouldnt be playing in the playoffs against 2200+ student schools.
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Post by bella on Aug 12, 2009 15:32:27 GMT -5
N o way CN shold be playing D-1. I agree they might be able to attract more players and they would be playing the best competition. But no way would they be able to compete year in and year out. They could win a first round game evrey year depending on the draw, but that would be it. Chances of winning a title slim (even taking DLS out of the equation.
Of all the NCS divisions by far the biggest jump is from DII to DI. Not knocking you, I just don't think it's realsitic.
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Post by bbclayman on Aug 12, 2009 16:11:35 GMT -5
Agreed. While vs the "best competition"may be in D1, I think CN attracts more kids being consistently dominant playing their current schedule and making runs at section & state titles.
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Post by newmanfan on Aug 12, 2009 23:19:51 GMT -5
So then in 07 why did Newman play SRV for Championship game? If they would have won that would have resulted in another trip to Carson and Central stayin home.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 13, 2009 0:10:53 GMT -5
SRV dipped in enrollment so for an instant they were a 3A schools with a high enrollment. CN played up as usual, and they had to play. A Div III program had to go through a Div I program to get to the State Bowl. Its a mistake and shouldnt happen. It happened in 2006 too when Newman had to play Hayward.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Aug 13, 2009 10:01:27 GMT -5
N o way CN shold be playing D-1. I agree they might be able to attract more players and they would be playing the best competition. But no way would they be able to compete year in and year out. They could win a first round game evrey year depending on the draw, but that would be it. Chances of winning a title slim (even taking DLS out of the equation. Of all the NCS divisions by far the biggest jump is from DII to DI. Not knocking you, I just don't think it's realsitic. With the above said, it sounds like if they were in D1 they would be on a level playing field with the D1 publics, as in some years they would have the horses to maybe win a couple of playoff games, and some years they would not make the playoffs. Isn't that how every other D2 school is in this area vs other D2 schools? My point is if they have a competitive advantage over all the D2 schools in the area, then why are they competing against these schools in the playoffs? "Heaven forbid" the playing field be level. LOL Take Healdsburg D3 and Casa D2 for example. Both have excellent coaching staffs, but Casa has a decided competitive advantage over Healdsburg by having 1,000 or so more kids. Now Healdsburg competes well and can win every once in a while, but it is a tough uphill battle. Now take CN and Rancho for example: CN can draw from any city around and has had many of Rancho's "would be" top players among many other school's best players in the area. With that said, they have a competitive advantage against the other D2 schools in the area. So...Should a team with a competitive advantage be in the same playoff system as the other teams they have an advantage over?
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Post by ranchofan on Aug 13, 2009 18:09:10 GMT -5
When people say Newman only has 450 kids and SanRamon has 2200, we should remember that SR has both male and female at their school, while Newman is all boys.San Ramon is public also, and they also have a wide range to draw from. My friend has a son the plays for Cal High and he says most football parents pick the school in that area based really on the coaching staff. Academically they are pretty similar.
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