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Post by anthfel on Aug 29, 2009 14:48:48 GMT -5
When will the ncl 1 north and south, and ncl 2 be included in this website. Although these are small schools Tomales, St. Vincents, and Middletown can beat half the NBL and SCL schools.
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Post by 4gonnagetem on Aug 29, 2009 15:05:44 GMT -5
u mean to tell me tomalsas can take monty?? NO WAY !!!!!!
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Post by J Hound on Aug 29, 2009 16:48:19 GMT -5
I do not see those schools beating any SCL NBL teams besides El Molino and Elsie Allen. With that being said, I'd love to hear more about the NCL. You need to get your peeps to start talking about them. The PD has crapy coverage on the NCL which is a whole different argument, but my point is So Co has very little info on those teams. Start posting scrimmage dates, schedules, key match-ups, who to watch for, etc,etc. Also remember that Ben's website IS NCS NBL, maybe someone from the NCL schools should start a NCS NCL website that covers only those teams? When will the ncl 1 north and south, and ncl 2 be included in this website. Although these are small schools Tomales, St. Vincents, and Middletown can beat half the NBL and SCL schools.
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Post by htown707 on Aug 29, 2009 23:14:17 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with area code 707 that league diserves more respect. They play some pretty darn good football at some of those schools. I'm not going to say that NCL teams could beat half SCL or NBL teams but they could sure beat some of them. Monty vs ST. Vincent I think would actually be a decent game. Especially what I have heard about the Monty offense. Sorry monty fans but your offense has looked pretty bad! Not saying St. Vincent would win but I think it would be close.
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Post by cotterstone on Aug 30, 2009 0:26:05 GMT -5
St Vincent could hang with most of the big boys. Thank you Ben for the great site.
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Post by threebck on Aug 30, 2009 3:37:41 GMT -5
Wow. St. Vincent hanging with Monty and beating some of the NBL/SCL teams? Not likely. This might happen on a fluke but not consistently. I'm a huge Ncl supporter but that is not reality. Need proof? Ask the coaches of those schools and see what they say. There are plenty of kids from Tomales and St. Vincent who have done great in the all star game and could compete at any level but on a whole the talent and depth is just not there.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 30, 2009 12:49:27 GMT -5
Not too much demand for a look at the smaller teams. ST. Vincnet and Tomales always do well, but all the other teams are largely unknown. There isnt any media coverage, so if I added them to the site, it would just be their standings. Honestly I dont know a lot about the smaller programs. Im Sonoma County born and raised and dont even know where half of these schools are. Its always possible for the future, but for now at least, I cant do it. I did post a poll last season about expanding the site to more leagues, and all the votes were for NO.
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Post by anthfel on Aug 30, 2009 14:47:38 GMT -5
SV, & Tomales are built programs and always are good, I guess they are not important enough to be on a Sonoma County Website who cares who they play, they are from here and their scores and stats should be on here. Cloverdale, too. So what Monty is good this year they should be. Don't doubt the small schools ask the coaches around here they know, some of these BIG schools wouldn't play them anyway for fear of losing and what would they gain from that?
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Post by spartan300 on Aug 30, 2009 16:23:03 GMT -5
I tell ya what 707. Go to a practice of Monty's, no wait 1st go learn a little about the game of football. Then go look at Monty again. St. Vincent would have a minimum of 10 kids hurt in a game with Monty. You people that think the little schools around here could even sniff a competitive game with the top 10 schools in the NBL or SCL are out of your minds and only tell yourselves that because you're small school homers who played there too! You are and always will be in denial. It's ok..
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Post by dynomite on Aug 30, 2009 16:56:41 GMT -5
I agree that S.V. and Tomales would be a bit over matched against Monty. But to say 10 kids would get hurt is just ignorant. They are all just 16-17 yr old kids and they all work out the same. Sure bigger schools "usually" have bigger athletes but not always. They just have MORE athletes which usually equals MORE talent, not always better talent.
Cloverdale used to play Elsie every year. Cloverdale would usually beat them by similar scores as NBL teams. I was told Tomales scrimmaged Analy and Elsie this weekend and did very well. SV is successful during passing leagues and camps with the larger schools in the summer. Not the best examples but it gets us close.
Best example, FERNDALE. They take less than 200 kids and dominate most teams, even the ones much bigger. Numbers dont mean everything except for the 11 on the field.
I believe these schools should get a little more recognition also. Remember these are still teenagers who want to do well AND be recognized for it regardless of size or location. Maybe anyone with info could start a thread and we could see how much response it gets. Ben cant do it all himself.
Thanks again for the friendly and informative website Ben.
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Post by cotterstone on Aug 31, 2009 0:12:51 GMT -5
Spartan, Glad to see your not a big school homer. And I'm sure you were a star wherever. I watch a lot of local football and while Middletown, SV and Tomales would have a minimum of 30 players hurt against Monty according to you it still would be nice to see some small school love.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Aug 31, 2009 0:40:40 GMT -5
I know small schools pretty well and I would have to say the best program in the NCL over the past ten years is Middletown. They are 4-1 vs Tomales and 8-2 Vs. St Vincent in this time. With that said, I firmly believe Middletown would not loose to Elsie, beat Elmo 80% of the time, Analy & Piner(maybe this will change with the new staff) about 50%. After that it would be very difficult if they had to play a full NBL or SCL schedule. Not that they couldn't hang with teams on a one game basis, but most of the small schools have about 25 guys or so, they are not deep, and when they loose one starter, most of the time its like they are losing two, and a special team player.
They would not be able to compete with teams like Rancho, Montgomery, or Casa. I have seen St. Vincent match up with Casa and Montgomery briefly at summer camps in years past, and even though Monty & Casa were playing their 2nd teams, it was not pretty, and yes a St. Vincent player was hurt. With that said I give St.Vinny's props for going to camp with the big boys in the summer, it's why they are always so tough during the regular season in their own league. Not to mention excellent coaching.
I would like to see some stuff on the NCL. It, seems like Middletown plays Justin Sienna every other year in the playoffs, and their on here. Lower Lake is a D3 team, and they almost beat Tam in the playoffs a couple of years ago too.
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Post by bella on Aug 31, 2009 4:21:01 GMT -5
Doubtful that the NCL teams would be able to beat half the NBL teams, at least not consistently. The top small school teams (Middletown, Ferndale, Ft. Bragg, St. Vincent and Tomales) could compete with several of the schools and beat some, but not on a regular basis.
As pointed out football is a numbers game (ie. depth). The smaller schools just don't have it. Those schools might be able to get near .500, against the NBL/SCL schools, but would need some luck and favorable scheduling. If say a Middletown started off against, EA, Piner, SR they could possibly win those games. But if they had to play CN, Monty, RC in consecutive weeks it would take its toll (although I don’t think they would need to have 10 Reach helicopters on stand-by).
In a one game scenario the odds would go up. The last time there were a couple of large school/small school match-ups was about 10 years ago. In 98’ St. Vincent played Analy at Analy and won 28-21. Analy finished 6-5 (3rd SCL) losing in the first round of the 3A playoffs to Monty (55-0). SV 11- 2 (NCL II champs) lost in the class A finals 13-0.
Also in 98’ Clear Lake (NCL I champs 5-1) played Sonoma (SCL champs 4-1) at Sonoma in a pre-season game. Sonoma won 14-7. Sonoma (8-4) went on to the RE 3A semifinals losing to Monty. Clear lake (11-2) beat SV for the class A title.
In 99’ Ft. Bragg (11-1) moved up to 2A for the playoffs. Ft. Bragg beat Healdsburg #2 seed (10-3 SCL champs 4-1) 28-24 in the 2A championship game. Ft. Bragg beat Tam (yes they were actually decent then) in the first round and Fortuna (#1 seed) in the 2nd round.
So I agree with the posters who say that they may not fare too well, but to say they couldn’t compete I think is a bit of an exaggeration. And with the way the divisions are now set up and the emphasis on the state bowls you won’t see any of these match ups anymore. The bigger schools would have absolutely nothing to gain and a lot to lose.
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Post by scobserver on Aug 31, 2009 23:50:52 GMT -5
bella, nice recap of some NCL-"big school" games and summary...yep, the top teams in NCL ... also Cloverdale (mid-level NCL) beating Allen (bottom of NBL) 2 or 3 straight times in recent years...
ironically, some "big" schools also have problems with "numbers" which never used to be the case....
agree that top NCL teams can tussle with mid level or even better NBL or SCL teams but if they played on a regular basis they would get beat up faster
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Post by Ben Herrington on Sept 1, 2009 21:46:20 GMT -5
Im really liking the feedback and info on the teams! OVerall it just comes down to time, I dont have enough to cover them all.
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