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Post by sainttown on Nov 23, 2009 18:32:13 GMT -5
I know we're a bit away from any bowl game, but if you've been following, Modesto Christian is the predicted favorite to head to Carson this year, ahead of Ferndale. However it looks like they're going to be terribly outmatched just as Hamilton City was last year. Will Norcal field a competitive Small Schools team? SoCal has plenty of small schools loaded with talent around the Los Angeles area, while the schools from Norcal are just small towns, like Ferndale or Hamilton. Will this year be a repeat of HC vs. St. Margrets?
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Post by bella on Nov 23, 2009 19:02:18 GMT -5
Modesto Christian still possibly has to face Modesto Catholic in the SJS playoffs. I think CC will beat them, which would open up the small school bid. As much as I respect the program, I don't think Ferndale will win the NCS. The DIV field is pretty loaded with the reamaining teams all very good. I see Ferndale beating Fort bragg, but don't know if they go any further. And yes NorCal is at a huge disadvantage for the small school SBG. Unless they tweak the numbers SoCal will dominate.
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Post by cotterstone on Nov 23, 2009 23:39:41 GMT -5
bella, You are correct. SoCal does not have to play the same numbers game as NorCal and the north small school selection will lose badly again. Don't like it either.
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Post by sainttown on Nov 23, 2009 23:44:16 GMT -5
It comes down to the private schools. While the huge public D1 schools can hold their own (Poly, Grant, Canyon, Edison) against the private schools, Norcal simply does not have the same type of small schools you see down south. There is no way public schools of about 15-300 kids from mountain communities up here can compete with small schools which can recruit and choose players at will. I refuse to believe that the CIF is this out of touch with the demographics of both portions of the state, but I do believe this needs to be changed soon.
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Post by scobserver on Nov 24, 2009 18:27:37 GMT -5
Sainttown is right. How could Hamilton City, with far more cows than people, compete against St. Whoever It Was from Orange County, who slaughtered them in the bowl? Yes, the enrollment was the "same level" but obviously a small town community is not "level" with a similar sized urban private school, in either player talent or socioeconomic backing. The small town schools should set up their own playoffs, whether the CIF approves or not.
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Post by 707 on Dec 5, 2009 23:43:01 GMT -5
I totally agree with all of these posts. Most of the small schools in NorCal come from small towns, while the schools from SoCal are private schools witch recruit and are also in a more populated area. The current cutoff for the state bowl game is 400 for Nor Cal and 500 for SoCal. How is that fair, when the schools of 400-500 are all private. I think the appropriate number for SoCal woulds be 300 or 350. NorCal should stay at 400. That is the only way NorCal can compete.
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Post by dynomite on Dec 6, 2009 1:58:53 GMT -5
Sainttown, obviously you know nothing of Modesto Christian or S-J Section play-offs. MC might be our best bet to win a State game. They have to win a VERY competitive Div. IV Section title against Central Catholic and Hilmar. They just beat Central this weekend, who WAS the #1 Div. III contender.
So, to even try to compare them to Hamilton City is very ignorant indeed. The Northern Section is a JOKE. Thats why we probably wont see them in a State game for awhile. The SJS, on the other hand, is playing some excellent football right now.
Modesto should have an excellent shot at beating an athletic Parker school in the Small Bowl game. We just have to hope the Committee sees this and doesnt sacrifice them to Oaks Christian in the D. III game.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Dec 6, 2009 13:57:59 GMT -5
What they should do is just not let the privates compete in the small school division. Maybe have a bylaw that states the lowest division a private can play in is D3 for state.
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Post by dynomite on Dec 6, 2009 14:22:50 GMT -5
Thats not a bad idea 4thqtr. That would really even the playing field in the smaller ranks. I think to start with though, they need to reverse the enrollment advantage. It makes no sense at all to allow a 500 to 400 ceiling in favor of the South.
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Post by mc415 on Dec 6, 2009 18:08:00 GMT -5
What they should do is just not let the privates compete in the small school division. Maybe have a bylaw that states the lowest division a private can play in is D3 for state. love this idea! |
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Post by sainttown on Dec 7, 2009 18:50:42 GMT -5
Sainttown, obviously you know nothing of Modesto Christian or S-J Section play-offs. MC might be our best bet to win a State game. They have to win a VERY competitive Div. IV Section title against Central Catholic and Hilmar. They just beat Central this weekend, who WAS the #1 Div. III contender. So, to even try to compare them to Hamilton City is very ignorant indeed. The Northern Section is a JOKE. Thats why we probably wont see them in a State game for awhile. The SJS, on the other hand, is playing some excellent football right now. Modesto should have an excellent shot at beating an athletic Parker school in the Small Bowl game. We just have to hope the Committee sees this and doesnt sacrifice them to Oaks Christian in the D. III game. I don't know much about Modesto, I won't lie. All I really know about them is from calpreps but they've been impressive so far so I'll rescind my earlier statement. They are the best bet for the SS game, but hopefully they won't be selected for the D3 game. I'm pretty sure the CIF knows this too and won't select anyone else (this all if MC beats Hillmar). On the Northern Section, they completely blew their chance last year and I agree; I don't think we'll see Portola or Hamilton or any small town team from the north in a very long time. |
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Post by dynomite on Dec 7, 2009 20:10:20 GMT -5
This year might be interesting for the Small school game. Modesto is the highest rated Div. III team in the North.
The South could take an interesting twist with St. Bonny's losing this week. If Oaks is sent as the South's Open team, which is very much a possibilty. Parker would most likely move up to Div. III. Which would open the door for St. Margarets to go back as the South Small school.
Imagine that. Both #1 Small Schools in the state going as the #1 D. III teams.
Just hope they dont send Portola, for our Small school rep. otherwise we'll see a repeat of last year. St. Vinnys should have waited a year to have their great season.
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Post by scobserver on Dec 7, 2009 21:52:10 GMT -5
"""Just hope they dont send Portola, for our Small school rep""""
exactly my point....why bother to have a "small" division bowl game if small town schools aren't ever going to be invited? It should be called the "small private school bowl." I'd much rather see Portola, an honest small town school, in the small school bowl than Modesto Whatever, which is definitely not a small town. Modesto Whatever v. Orange County Whatever...just a meeting of indistinguishable big city bullies.
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Post by mc415 on Dec 7, 2009 23:33:47 GMT -5
"""Just hope they dont send Portola, for our Small school rep"""" exactly my point....why bother to have a "small" division bowl game if small town schools aren't ever going to be invited? It should be called the "small private school bowl." I'd much rather see Portola, an honest small town school, in the small school bowl than Modesto Whatever, which is definitely not a small town. Modesto Whatever v. Orange County Whatever...just a meeting of indistinguishable big city bullies. completely agree...i thought the point of small school bowl was for the small towns in the north to send their kids to live a dream to play against some small school from the south from the desert of east Inland Empire.....not for small private preps schools who are loaded with athletes who commute into those schools to play sports |
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Post by dynomite on Dec 8, 2009 1:18:57 GMT -5
Fact is there isnt competitive small public schools like our Middletowns and Ferndales in the South that can compete with the small private schools down there.
Novel idea, but it just will not play out like that in the Small school world.
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