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Post by htown707 on Nov 29, 2009 2:06:25 GMT -5
The rule I have never liked in the NCS playoffs is the league champion getting home field advantage over non-league champions. Even if the non-league champion has a high seed than the league champion. Good example the game this Saturday, Casa Grande @ Monty, Casa is the #2 seed and beat Monty head to head during the regular season. It just doesn't make any sense to me why you would give the home game to Monty. Yes, Monty won the NBL, but Casa has a higher seed. The higher seeded team should get the home game regardless of if they won league. If your going to give the seed to the lower seeded team then why seed the teams at all?
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Nov 29, 2009 12:25:35 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying Htown, but I'm glad the game is at Monty. The game will not be dictated by the field, but rather the play on it. Next weeks game will likely be at Rancho or SR High anyways, so its not like its a huge home field advantage. Casa should have as many fans there (or close to it), as if they were playing at home.
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Post by dynomite on Nov 29, 2009 14:00:13 GMT -5
I like this rule. I feel that it helps keep tradition and goals in perspective. League titles should still be respected and fought for. Sure, some leagues arent as tough as others (such as H-DNL Big 4) but it still allows teams to fight hard for their own title and be rewarded. If they got rid of this rule I think it would totally discredit the value of being your league's Champ. And in this age of "watered down" play-offs, we need to keep all the tradition and goals that we can.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Nov 29, 2009 14:54:21 GMT -5
I've always hated this rule, but for some reason, this season I see the logic in it.
If Monty doesnt get a home game here, then what is their reward for winning league against someone who didnt? Both teams won games and got high seeds, but a league champ does get a little something extra, and I think rightfully so.
It provides an incentive for winning a league title. It really helps out Eureka, not this season, but in the past it has.
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Post by bella on Nov 29, 2009 15:18:03 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of this rule, but more and more I see the reasoning and am o.k. with it. Does seem to penalize teams from tougher leagues. But if you know the rule is in place and you want home games go out and win your league.
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Post by mc415 on Nov 29, 2009 16:49:30 GMT -5
yeah i understand the rule either way, if i had it my way i would like to see the higher seed have the home game......winning league can misleading especially in some of the week leagues out there
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Post by scobserver on Nov 30, 2009 20:19:41 GMT -5
I think it is a great rule. It gives teams a real reward to play for the league championship. Yeah, a second place team from a so-called "stronger" league may have to go on the road against a "lesser" league champ, but so what...all teams now know that if they want to play at home, win the league!
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Post by homer2 on Nov 30, 2009 21:13:20 GMT -5
I think it is a great rule. It gives teams a real reward to play for the league championship. Yeah, a second place team from a so-called "stronger" league may have to go on the road against a "lesser" league champ, but so what...all teams now know that if they want to play at home, win the league! I agree....Seedings is a guess...League Champions are clear cut..
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Post by hsfbfan on Dec 1, 2009 2:50:18 GMT -5
Well put Homer...and agreed. And assumedly, the league champs from more difficult leagues will get a higher seed than those from lesser leagues, typically, so the league championship is not a "free pass" when champs meet up in the playoffs, as the higher seed will still prevail for home field then, but it does make sense that there should be a reward for winning league.
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Post by noclue on Dec 1, 2009 5:18:50 GMT -5
I would agree with the rule, if it was applied fairly....... But, they could add to it,,,that the league you play in has to have teams (more than one) equal to your division or in a higher division then you go to in the playoffs, for the rule to work. ie.. Eureka, they have nobody in thier league that is division II, and on the other side is Justin-Siena, who has all league teams that are a division or two above them. So Justin-Siena plays in a much tougher league and may never get to host or get the automatic berth. Same goes for the schools that play in Eureka's league. I'm just saying Eureka can coast through league getting healthy, which is a big deal if you don't have a lot of depth, while everybody else is still trying to survive and having to win games. Sure some teams in every league are weaker then others but at least most of them play in the same division.
So yeah, I believe Eureka has a huge huge advantage playing as the much larger school against the smaller schools.. so what about the preseason.. we're talking about automatic home field and Automative berth for Eureka almost every year... even when they are not very good compared to the other DII teams...... If you don't think having to drive up to Eureka on a Friday to play them is not an advantage for them then you have never done it...
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Post by homer2 on Dec 1, 2009 13:22:26 GMT -5
I would agree with the rule, if it was applied fairly....... But, they could add to it,,,that the league you play in has to have teams (more than one) equal to your division or in a higher division then you go to in the playoffs, for the rule to work. ie.. Eureka, they have nobody in thier league that is division II, and on the other side is Justin-Siena, who has all league teams that are a division or two above them. So Justin-Siena plays in a much tougher league and may never get to host or get the automatic berth. Same goes for the schools that play in Eureka's league. I'm just saying Eureka can coast through league getting healthy, which is a big deal if you don't have a lot of depth, while everybody else is still trying to survive and having to win games. Sure some teams in every league are weaker then others but at least most of them play in the same division. So yeah, I believe Eureka has a huge huge advantage playing as the much larger school against the smaller schools.. so what about the preseason.. we're talking about automatic home field and Automative berth for Eureka almost every year... even when they are not very good compared to the other DII teams...... If you don't think having to drive up to Eureka on a Friday to play them is not an advantage for them then you have never done it... I have made that trip....but... Each year is different. This is the first year that Eureka has won a playoff game since 2003. Since then they have made the playoffs twice going 0-2 with both games in Eureka.
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Post by homer2 on Dec 1, 2009 14:11:38 GMT -5
By the way Casa fans just in case you need a reason to root for Petaluma and you beat Montgomery...if Eureka wins...I think you know the rest...
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Post by dynomite on Dec 1, 2009 15:43:09 GMT -5
If Eureka did win. And Casa were to beat Monty. Wouldnt the Title game be at a neutral field? What is the criteria for a neutral site? Is it a site near the Home team? Is it a site an even distance from both schools?
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Post by hsfbfan on Dec 1, 2009 15:58:35 GMT -5
No matter who wins, the championship game is at a neutral field...I have heard rumors that it would be at either Rancho or Santa Rosa, but not sure of the validity of this. And if this were the case, it would seem to be a disadvantage for Eureka, but I would seriously doubt that, wherever the championship game is, if Eureka is in it, that it would be anywhere near Eureka, or even midway between here and there...as ALL schools in the NCS DII EXCEPT Eureka are in the immediate Bay Area, either Sonoma or East Bay, it is pretty darn likely to take place more locally, and since there are no East Bay schools any longer involved, it will probably be in Sonoma. Bailey Field (SRJC) would be a good choice, but they sure as heck want it filled up, and not sparsely filled...I don't know the capacity there, but I would think it is about twice that of any of the high school stadiums in the area, and not sure it could, or would get filled.
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Post by homer2 on Dec 1, 2009 16:03:04 GMT -5
No matter who wins, the championship game is at a neutral field...I have heard rumors that it would be at either Rancho or Santa Rosa, but not sure of the validity of this. And if this were the case, it would seem to be a disadvantage for Eureka, but I would seriously doubt that, wherever the championship game is, if Eureka is in it, that it would be anywhere near Eureka, or even midway between here and there...as ALL schools in the NCS DII EXCEPT Eureka are in the immediate Bay Area, either Sonoma or East Bay, it is pretty darn likely to take place more locally, and since there are no East Bay schools any longer involved, it will probably be in Sonoma. Bailey Field (SRJC) would be a good choice, but they sure as heck want it filled up, and not sparsely filled...I don't know the capacity there, but I would think it is about twice that of any of the high school stadiums in the area, and not sure it could, or would get filled. When Eureka won it in 2003 the Championship Game was played at Humboldt State..
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