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Post by coach on Sept 20, 2010 15:40:34 GMT -5
Found this on the NCS website. Seems like they will be voting on this next month. Two options they have. Will be interesting if they do one of these two proposed. Sorry if this is a repost
Proposal A SCHOOL LEAGUE Branson (Ross) MCAL Justin-Siena (Napa) MCAL San Marin (Novato) MCAL San Rafael MCAL Sir Francis Drake MCAL Tamalpais (Mill Valley) MCAL Terra Linda (San Rafael) MCAL SCHOOL LEAGUE Casa Grande (Petaluma) SMAL Marin Catholic (Kentfield) SMAL Novato SMAL Petaluma SMAL Rancho Cotate (Rohnert Park) SMAL Redwood (Larkspur) SMAL SCHOOL LEAGUE Cardinal Newman NBL Maria Carrillo (Santa Rosa) NBL Montgomery (Santa Rosa) NBL Santa Rosa NBL Windsor NBL Ukiah NBL SCHOOL LEAGUE Analy (Sebastopol) SCL El Molino (Forestville) SCL Elsie Allen (Santa Rosa) SCL Healdsburg SCL Piner (Santa Rosa) SCL Sonoma Valley (Sonoma) SCL
Proposal B SCHOOL LEAGUE Marin Catholic (Kentfield) MCAL Redwood (Larkspur) MCAL San Rafael MCAL Sir Francis Drake MCAL Tamalpais (Mill Valley) MCAL Terra Linda (San Rafael) MCAL SCHOOL LEAGUE Elsie Allen (Santa Rosa) MSAL El Molino (Forestville) MSAL Justin-Siena (Napa) MSAL Novato MSAL Sonoma Valley (Sonoma) MSAL San Marin (Novato) MSAL
SCHOOL LEAGUE Cardinal Newman NBL Casa Grande (Petaluma) NBL Maria Carrillo (Santa Rosa) NBL Montgomery (Santa Rosa) NBL Petaluma NBL Windsor NBL SCHOOL LEAGUE Analy (Sebastopol) SCL Healdsburg SCL Rancho Cotate SCL Santa Rosa SCL Piner (Santa Rosa) SCL Ukiah SCL
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Post by mc415 on Sept 20, 2010 16:44:35 GMT -5
i like proposal A vs proposal B alot more for MC, proposal B w/out Novato would make it a boring league for MC
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Post by sainttown on Sept 20, 2010 16:48:39 GMT -5
Proposal A looks best, I can't really describe it but the proposed leagues look more organic and an overall better fit than Prop B. I'm really looking at how the bottom teams of the league (Allen, Piner, SV, San Marin, etc.) would benefit from realignment.
The NBL in Prop B (NBL-B?) looks like a great league no doubt, what with Monty, Casa, Newman, and Carillo, probably one to salivate over. But the lumping of Novato and Justin with Elmo and EA? It looks like those 2 teams would only really contend for that league with possibly the occasional upset. The proposed MSAL-B league looks a lot like the NCL 1 North, the parallels being that Novato and Justin are like Fort Bragg and Middletown.
Regardless Prop B will probably prevail between the 2 and aside from me acting as a crusader for Elsie Allen, I don't think there will be much opposition to it.
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Post by sainttown on Sept 20, 2010 16:50:13 GMT -5
actually if you substitute Drake with Novato in the Prop B league that looks like a great fit! for football anyway, I'm not really factoring in the other sports...
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Post by Ben Herrington on Sept 20, 2010 18:49:51 GMT -5
I dont think everyone wil be happy with any realignment. I would go with A myself.
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Post by loggeraxe on Sept 20, 2010 19:24:14 GMT -5
Eureka has to somehow get in the NBL. It's a waste of time with these teams up here. For the Santa Rosa area teams it would only mean road trip up the coast every other year. Not that big of a deal.
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Post by scobserver on Sept 20, 2010 19:49:03 GMT -5
Thanks coach for finding this...
Does anyone see any real advantages to B? Agree that A is the better.
Face it, realignment is driven by just football, so let's take loggeraxe's proposition...
Eureka in the NBL----but only for football.
Football is so different from all the other sports, anomolies crop up, and the only way to effectively deal with them is to make exceptions. While we are at it...
Allen in NCL II---for football only.....
Admit that football is a strange bird and sometimes unorthodox solutions are required!! Forget the egos of the coaches, athletic directors or principals and the NCS should actually do their primary job, which is to ensure equitable competition for student athletes.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Sept 20, 2010 21:01:54 GMT -5
Im right there with ya scobserver with Eureka and Elsie Allen changing leagues for football only.
A problem I see with having Eureka in the NBL is what will happen to Fortuna and Del Norte?
Arcata doesnt have a team this season so that leaves Del Norte and Fortuna as perhaps members of the HDNL Little (#). Not too sure if that would work out too well. Having Div. V South Fork playing Div. III Fortuna.
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Post by ladylogger on Sept 20, 2010 22:20:06 GMT -5
I like the idea of Eureka joining a league outside of Humboldt County for football only. I think the remaining schools could then form just the HDN for football. The schools compete against each other in every sport but football, either as scrimages or non league games.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Sept 21, 2010 9:34:39 GMT -5
A makes too much sense, so it will probably not happen.
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Post by whscoachd on Sept 21, 2010 13:41:28 GMT -5
I think A is overall the best but B has some good ideas too. I didn't look close enough but my only hope is whatever they choose that the leagues are made up of teams from the same NCS divisions, meaning league 1 is all D2's, league 2 is all D3 etc etc. It makes the most sense for every sport. I support realignment as long as it benefits everyone. IF we realign by division it does. I could be wrong
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Post by bella on Sept 21, 2010 16:15:36 GMT -5
I like A much better. However, I personally think the division thing is a little overated. I think the leagues should be based more on competitve balance, which I think should be the most important factor. The division thing I think is a little to SBG driven.
Newman and say MC would be in a D-IV league? Elsie Allen is considered a DIII team, when in reality they would struggle with a majority of DIV teams and probably a few DV teams. Santa Rosa is DI team, should they be in a DI league when recent history shows they probably play at around the level of many DIII teams? I think it should be considered, but not the derterming factor.
I also like the idea of teams reviewing the leagues say semi-anually. I like how some leagues in the CCS, take compettive balance into account to determine where certain teams play based on their performance. Every 2 years reasses and if you have to move a few teams up or down so be it, overall I don't think you would have to much movement that it would make a mess of the leagues.
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Post by mc415 on Sept 21, 2010 20:30:58 GMT -5
I like A much better. However, I personally think the division thing is a little overated. I think the leagues should be based more on competitve balance, which I think should be the most important factor. The division thing I think is a little to SBG driven. Newman and say MC would be in a D-IV league? Elsie Allen is considered a DIII team, when in reality they would struggle with a majority of DIV teams and probably a few DV teams. Santa Rosa is DI team, should they be in a DI league when recent history shows they probably play at around the level of many DIII teams? I think it should be considered, but not the derterming factor. I also like the idea of teams reviewing the leagues say semi-anually. I like how some leagues in the CCS, take compettive balance into account to determine where certain teams play based on their performance. Every 2 years reasses and if you have to move a few teams up or down so be it, overall I don't think you would have to much movement that it would make a mess of the leagues. I agree i like how the CCS reasses the divsions, i mean it wouldnt be fun for anyone if MC and Novato are split and MC crushes the MCAL teams in league B......and size doesnt really mean much like Bella says.........I think 4 league, 2 leagues which are super competitive which would also help overall ratings for the SBG and 2 leagues for the weaker teams which will allow those teams to not get smashed every year (also slowly build those programs) and then reassess those division based on performance
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Post by scobserver on Sept 21, 2010 23:08:54 GMT -5
Agree we do not need grouping strictly by enrollment or "division"....that's the cause of current problems. Enrollments change drastically nowadays. Plus, the NCS/CIF redfines the enrollment cutoffs every season, so a school can have the same enrollment year to year but get classified in a different division, so why try?
The CCS example (for football only) is enticing (basically, it's what soccer calls "relegation tables.") And reshuffling football every two years seems necssary nowadays.
Agree Eureka in NBL would really mess up HDNL, with no good solution--how about Fortuna/Ferndale/Del N/McKinley in one league (6 league games) and St. Bernard/South Fork/Hoopa in the other, with those three a little more able to possibly snag games from NCL teams? Heck, put Elsie in that league, then there are 2 four-team six-game home-and-home leagues.
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Post by homer2 on Sept 25, 2010 16:50:29 GMT -5
Elsie Allen needs to move to the NCL world....
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