Ed Lloyd/Paul Cronin QB Clinic This Weekend

[sportsfan]

and what a game Jack had at Central Catholic! In the first game of the season, Jack threw two TD catches to Chris Reuter, last one was 48 yards in 4Q to win the battle.

[insidezone]

Jack James will be the starting QB. He is working extremly hard this off season. He is a big strong athletic player 6/1. 210 pounds and has the best work ethic on the team. What a great leader.

[Ben Herrington]

Funny, in 2007, Newman had Max Pond, Randy Wright, and Jack James on the team all at once. Three seasons, three different QB's, three different student classes. James had a lot of playing experience.

[footballfan]

Newman sounds like they are good this year at QB. But, Cronin is a great coach and why not get a look at the future so there is time to recruit I mean evalute the up in coming talent in the area for the near future.

[Ben Herrington]

2005: 10-3 - 3A RE Champ
2006: 13-2 - 3A Champ, Norcal Div. III Champ
2007: 11-2-1 - 3A Runner-up
2008: 13-1 - Div. II Champ, Norcal Div. III Champ

Newmans coaching staff and success does the 'recruiting' all by itself...

[4thqtrcomeback]

football fan, I was thinking the same thing.

Ben, no doubt Newman breeds success under Cronin; He's a great Coach, but to say Newman was not taking a look at the town of Petaluma's (& Sonoma County's) young Pop Warner QB stock, is naive at best.

[Ben Herrington]

I plead ignorance...

[stogi]

A lot of schools have annual camps to raise money for their programs, but of course anything that Newman does is gonna be called recruiting.

Newman gets "recruits" as Ben said by running a successful program and having excellent coaching staffs. Part of any successful organization is looking into the future and planing for it. If you're not doing that then good luck to you.

[Ben Herrington]

Completely agree! You dont see players lining up to play football at Elsie Allen.

If Paul Cronin were to accept the head coaching position at Elsie Allen, more players would go to Elsie on their own accord. More Elsie students would go out for the team because they want to play for him. It has nothing to do with recruiting. Success breads success, period.

All I can see is sour grapes = Newman recruits.

[jbytes]

Ok, Ben, try to play along here. Lets "pretend" (not gonna argue whether or not cause we have gone over it over and over and neither one of us is gonna chang eour mind)....but lets say for arguments sake Cronin did recruit players to his program. Would Newman have been as good if he or his staff/booster/parents/alumni did not recruit players to the program?

I think this is a fair question to ask. Please all of you that are gonna attack me and call me names, please refrain. Just a question.

[sportsfan]

I'm a Newman parent and I get questions from friends all the time about what we like about the school, teachers, sports program, coaches, etc., etc. From personal experience, I rave about our positive experience with two boys going through the school. If that is "recruiting" then so be it.

I would also define the SR City School multiple page magazine in the PD every year as recruiting as it highlights the strengths of each school. What's the difference?

[jbytes]

to sportsfan and everyone else that wants to revisit this topic...again....and hear both sides of this argument...please visit the earlier post titled "Does Newman Recruit"

ncsnblboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=102&page=4

It pretty much says it all there.

The main difference.....Public Schools recruit students as do privates. The argument is that Newman recruits athletes and uses education as a excuse. Thats the difference.

[Ben Herrington]

Would NEWMAN have been as good if they did not recruit players (assuming they do)?

If the players they supposedly recruit are the top players on the team, and they wouldnt have gone to NEWMAN if they were not recruited, then yeah... NEWMAN would not be as good as they are with the apparent recruited players.

The reason I've capitalized Newman each time is because you could replace Newman was any school and it would be true. You could say Monty, Rancho, Casa, etc. If a school is recruiting and those players are the best ones on the team, then its common since they make the team better.

I wouldnt call you names, only person I would call names at would be Chris Meredith.

[jbytes]

Continuing with this scenario........Why would they recruit players if they weren't good first of all. The players that are in question were all the good players (Ponzo is a great example)

Assuming they recruited.....I think its safe to say that Newman had their success based on recruiting and having the best talent on their team that would have been on other teams they play against and had success against. So you cannot uphold the motto that "Newmans coaching staff and success does the 'recruiting' all by itself".....Even if they are not recruiting now, they built all the success and PR that reinforces your motto based on recruiting they have done the past 7 years. They have a good reputation and well noted accolades based on players they recruited in the past.
So while what you say may be true......That their staff and success does all the recruiting for them.....they still had to recruit to get that success in the first place even if they do not need to recruit now.

SO the initial argument still exists.....whether or not they recruited the base core of players that got them to 2 SBG's to begin with. We all have our views and opinions of the facts.

For those of us that believe they recruited or recruit still, even if they don't need to recruit now, it is still a losing battle based on the success that attracts our school's players because of the success they had from the past recruiting classes.

For those that believe they have never and are not recruiting local athletes, well then your motto is dead on. If they have in fact had all this success without breaking a single rule, they deserve all the success they get.

For those that know they recruit but dont care or think it negatively hurts other local programs.....you need to get your head checked.

I wasnt concerned with you calling me names, but many others. It is not uncommon to get attacked for saying anything about Newman that isn't in a positive light.

[Ben Herrington]

Where did Walt Finley and Koa Misi play football as a junior and sophomre (respectively), and what was that teams record?