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Post by dynomite on Jul 4, 2009 20:44:04 GMT -5
Pretty harsh words by Insidezone but i know of a lot of other area coaches who say the same. Monty gets off on trying to bully other teams. And we all know what bullies are made of. I heard they were doing the same BS during the Ed Lloyd camp. Two things come to mind. Sounds like coaches trying to cover up lack of knowledge by trying to be tough and let their players get away with the BS. And secondly, Coach Franci has lost control of his staff and team. Its too bad to see such an admired coach let things slip away from him. And thats why I dont see Monty having the proper success in the near future. Things need better structure over there.
Jbytes, Interesting point about the comparison to Newman, but I for one will point out how EXTREMELY disciplined they are at everything they do. You never see their players disrespecting others. And alot of other teams also. You dont see the JC out there knockin people down.
Passing league is no pads, NO CONTACT! PERIOD! It should be a safe environment for players to learn during the summer. Monty needs to appreciate that. Until then they ARE just bullies and the coaches will continue to gain ZERO respect.
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Post by jbytes on Jul 4, 2009 22:48:51 GMT -5
Dyno, I wasnt arguing that Newman's players are like that. (on a side note:my experience is that CN players are not perfect either) My point was that if someone were to come on here and say that CN were "thugs" or "renegade punks".....there would be more than once person on here commenting on that. There would be 15 poster defending them and attacking whomever said that. Ben being the first. But this time? Not a word except yours. I think it is disgraceful for a coach to come on a public board and say those things about kids and collegues. they are kids remember? It was a personal attack and unacceptable. But because it was said by a CN person it is ok? I don't think so. I am appaulled. Even if other coaches say those things among themselves, fine. But to bring it in the media, or public is bad. And the fact nobody else besides myself is saying it is worse. Oh well. I guess we will follow CN's lead and air all their dirty laundry like when they talk trash and disrespect the game. And if you say they have never done that, its because you are clearly in the stands and not on the field. Hope everyone had a great 4th of July and a great summer until the football season.
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Post by newmanfan on Jul 5, 2009 0:27:38 GMT -5
All the Newman Games i've been at the players seemed to be respectful to their opponents. But I am not in on the field. This is football trash talking happens but fighting and dirty play is another thing. Who in the league has more personal fouls called on them . Monty and Newman at passing league could get pyhsical but the coaches should control their teams and keep it safe. The Coaches should be held responsible for the way their team acts on the field.The Disciplined team wins in the end the bullies walk away losers. Lets get the season on and we'll see.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Jul 5, 2009 10:52:28 GMT -5
"I think it is disgraceful for a coach to come on a public board and say those things about kids and colleagues. they are kids remember? It was a personal attack and unacceptable"
I agree jbytes, I think the word that came to my mind is "classless".
Perhaps I just come from a different school of thought. I was always taught if you have an issue with another colleague, you approach them after the kids are not around and you talk to them face to face, "man to man".
The fact of the matter is that most passing leagues are physical. Go down to the East Bay and watch some of the D1 schools play. SRV & Monte Vista plain get after it, and there are players hitting the ground almost every play. You are going to bump, there will be collisions, and sometimes guys are going to be brought down. The D has just as much rights to a ball as the O. Monty runs a physical style of seven on seven, similar to they way college's run their 7-on 7's in practice. Being that 2nd in command (Scalercio) was Sonoma States' coach, this comes to no surprise to me.
I don't condone trash talking. Unfortunately, every team out there is doing it, and all of the teams need to tone the talking down. If Monty is doing it more so than others, then I'm sure Franci will address this. Franci still has control, but is fighting a bigger battle right now (dynomite - If you were "in the know" you would not feel good about your comments regarding Franci, & I’ll leave it at that). Scalercio will get the kids disciplined if any are out of line. I would hope that any other coaches that have issues with Montgomery will go talk to Franci or Scalercio "Man to Man".
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Post by jbytes on Jul 5, 2009 11:39:58 GMT -5
Wow newmanfan. You are still defedning your coaches choice to degrade high school teenagers? I don't care if they were bullies out there. What kind of example do your boys have when they go on a public message board and read public trash talking and for many more to read. So while your coach is upset at the "thug" behavior and trash talking, he turns around and publicly does the exact same thing on a larger level. And you are trying to justify it with all this "bully" moral crap? Maybe you are forgetting that the bully walked off the field winners in 2006. Dynomite, for you to make that comment about Franci, one of the most legendary coaches in this county's history, that has done more for local football than you could ever understand and have no idea what he is going though personally is below classless and ignorant.
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Post by newmanfan on Jul 5, 2009 12:40:58 GMT -5
This is 7-on 7's in practice.No pads, no contact , This is not a rugby game. I played in the EBAL and our coaches always made sure the we were going for the ball and not trying to knock the guy down. Again it's all under the coaches to controll the intensity of the practice. If i were on Monty ( 42-14 )i'd be mad at myself.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Jul 5, 2009 13:45:39 GMT -5
This is 7-on 7's in practice. No pads, no contact – Disagree. There will always be some contact even in passing league. Haven’t you seen any team that runs a press coverage? The LB’s need to make sure they slow down the tight end every time. What if one of the DB’s or LB’s makes a good play on the ball? There are collisions all of the time. You want to minimize it, but its going to happen. These kids are competing to play football. There should be no tackling.
This is not a rugby game. – Agreed
I played in the EBAL and our coaches always made sure the we were going for the ball and not trying to knock the guy down. – Agreed
Again it's all under the coaches to control the intensity of the practice. – Agreed. Hopefully if this is truly the thought of other coaches (That Monty needs to tone down the intensity)they will sit down with Franci or Scalercio and discuss this with them “Man to Man” .
If I were on Monty ( 42-14 )i'd be mad at myself. – Agreed (Although I think the statement is childish) – However this is another year and CN lost a lot of talent upon graduation. They will not be as strong as 2008 or 2006.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Jul 5, 2009 15:04:38 GMT -5
This is simple, No contact means no contact. Some contact will happen, but when any team moves beyond that, they should be ready to take responsibility for their actions.
These rules are created for a reason, a bump here or there does not constitute a major issue, but when any program violates this over and over on purpose, then there is a problem.
I couldnt care less if it's Monty, Newman, or any other team doing this; it shouldnt be allowed.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Jul 5, 2009 15:25:22 GMT -5
Ben, you and other CN fans have done a nice job steering away from what a coach wrote to focus on the physicality of the passing league.
The below statement is what the argument is about. I would be curiouse to hear your thoughts on this.
Yea Monty is a bunch of renagade punks. I can't believe Franci and Scalercio are allowing this. That's what you get when you leave Merideth and Bautista to run the show. And believe me I'm not the only coach who thinks this. Every coach I have talked to says that they are a bunch of Thugs!
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Post by jbytes on Jul 5, 2009 16:13:36 GMT -5
Not sure how this turned into a debate about the ethics of passing league. As Allen Iverson would put it "what are we talking about? We talkin about passing league? Passing league? we are talking about passing league!"
The issue at hand is a classless coach from a so called classy program personally attacking players from another team. Calling them names for talking trash and then going on a message board and doing exactly the thing he criticizes them for....talking trash. Whats worse is those of you that avoid it and try to deflect. Typical.
On another thread we can talk about the ethics and details of friggin passing league. If I were Monty and I saw how much my trash talking got in the head's of the Newman coaches and players, it would be hard to argue it didn't work to my advantage and cause CN to come down to Montgomery's level.
I know I am beating a dead horse here. But If I or any other coach would have said those things about CN, we would be called names and be threatened. I know cause it has happened to me and others in the past. But when the roles are reversed I hear crickets. Especially from our adminstrator and CN apologist. Just can't let that one go. Extremely classless by CN.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Jul 5, 2009 17:48:47 GMT -5
Generally the best thing to do when you deeply dont agree with what someone has to say, you do one of two things. 1) Ignore it and they will stop, or 2) call them on it.
Some have called insidezone on a comment that some have a big problem with. I have decided to ignore it. If everyone were to just ignore something they dont like, no one would be keeping the thread going, and soon it would on the bottom of the board and no one would even know it was said.
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Post by dynomite on Jul 5, 2009 18:27:12 GMT -5
Very good points. I especially like the Iverson perspective. We did get off the thread subject quite a bit.
I agree with you Jbytes. This is not the right forum to bad talk other coaches. Coaches need to take it up with each other on a private level. I just know the situation has been address that way before with the aforementioned coaches and they've never adjusted. I apologize myself for getting caught up in any negative comments about coaches.
Which leads me to my last subject. I was trying to skim over the Franci subject because I know all to well his off the field concerns and I'll just leave it at that. I was just trying to point out the lack of discipline structure they seem to have and they need to address some things to get back on top of the league where they used to be (IMO). I apologize once again if it sounded like i was disrespecting Coach Franci or make light of his many accomplishments.
Back to the thread, I dont believe Monty has as good a shot as most people think. IMO they will be 3rd in the NBL after Carrillo and Newman. Which means a tight sqeeze into the NCS.
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Post by pops on Jul 6, 2009 1:17:36 GMT -5
I would wait and see about Casa. They do not have the size that they have had in the past. Great QB, but if the protection is not there he is going down.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Jul 6, 2009 13:53:43 GMT -5
This Casa is returning 2 or 3 starters from their line last season. I think they should be fine on offense, I could see them being one of the top teams in the Empire.
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Post by SCLMCAL on Jul 6, 2009 23:49:22 GMT -5
they return 2 center and a tackle but both only played half year
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