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Post by newmanfan on Aug 11, 2009 21:47:02 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 11, 2009 23:57:52 GMT -5
I still think its a slap to the face of all of his teammates over at Piner. All I can really do is wish him all the best in the school he wants to attend, but football wise, he needs to follow the rules and sit out.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Aug 12, 2009 9:36:01 GMT -5
Funny thing is that Kyle Young did the same thing leaving Montgomery for CN, just right after school got out, instead of waiting this long in the summer. The bad thing about Kyle Young is that he left after his JUNIOR year, now thats a slap on the face to teammates after playing three seasons with them. The reason that was given for Kyle Young leaving Montgomery was academics, and that he had a slight learning disability, so smaller class sizes would really benefit him. The thing is is that he actually excelled academically at Montgomery posting over a 3.85 GPA and attended all the "college prep" type classes. The reason was BS, and everyone knows he was recruited.
Jabari played one season as a sophomore with Piner, and now is back at his original school, where he played his freshmen year. He is now back with his original team.
Ben - If he went to CN as a freshmen, left to Piner one year, and then transfered back as a Junior would you be up in arms like you are now? I do understand the timing is bad, and he waited too long, but there is probably a lot more to the story.
With that said, he must follow the transfer rules, so we will see how this plays out. My guess would be that he lives in the Montgomery district, since that is where he went to school his freshman year.
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Post by crusader1984 on Aug 12, 2009 12:08:07 GMT -5
WOW!!! First time on the board. I didn't realize I had to have the "code" in CAPS. It took me forever to get an account. I am a "city" so I have support my guys. All I can say is, Monty lost to Lincoln last year (people say it was a fluke) but the kid who ran all over them last year is back....Aaaaaaand the entire line from last year is back, too. Havta look out for my boy Phil. (Just in case your wondering....I am a Petaluma guy.)
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Post by viking2000 on Aug 12, 2009 12:29:23 GMT -5
LOL! Lincoln got lucky! Monty played like sh*t. They ran that sloppy offense and that will not happen again. And as bad as Merridith was as a Head Coach...he's actually pretty good as a position coach. (I still don't like the guy). Lincoln v. Montgomery will be a BLOW OUT!!!!
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 12, 2009 13:22:31 GMT -5
4thQtr, I think practicing with a team up until the first practice of the season and then dropping them and joining another team is more of a slap to the face than tranfering at the end of a specific school year. Either way, a tranfer would be tough to take for the losing team. As per your scenerio if Young had been at Newman as a freshman, then went to Piner as a Soph, then back to Newman as a Junior, I would be just as mad. Recruiting is wrong no matter who does it and how. (Having good academics does not count as recruiting). Another part you should have mentioned is Young was kicked out of Monty, so I'm still confused on how he is being let back. Newman would not put up with this.
Monty is going to kill Lincoln.
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Post by jbytes on Aug 12, 2009 17:23:16 GMT -5
Unless the student is expelled from the district, they are expelled from the school and placed at an alternate school for 1 academic year. I am not sure this is the case with J. Young, but it might provide an explanation. Newman would not put up with this? ? They would if the kid was 210, ran a 4.6 forty and got their school brand name in the PD every Saturday morning. Just sayin. Hahaha Ben, I gotta call BS on you when you say you were mad when Kyle Young transferred. You defended him to the end when he clearly had been recruited, and the situations are very similar between these two Young's. So 4th brings up a good point. Just sayin.
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Post by ranchofan on Aug 12, 2009 17:46:49 GMT -5
ben, I don't really think you fully understand the need for Newman to win. I understand you went to Newman, so maybe you will remember that year that the boys had te party with alcohol and strippers and the school allowed them to continue to play and punished them at the end of the year. Or when Brian Hutton got in trouble and instead of the next game being suspended(Rancho) they picked the game he would miss(carillo or santa rosa). Most schools give in to the desires of the football programs, please don't think Newman is above it all.
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Post by sikolec on Aug 12, 2009 18:46:27 GMT -5
I remember a few years ago when I was talking to a friend that supported Monty and they shared with me that several of their players (this was more to soccer) should have been at Piner. The students were in the Piner district but were attending Monty under the simply fact of taking an "honors" or "AP" class. This simple loop hole allowed them to attend Montgomery and thus play for the soccer teams (I believe it was both men and women players).
I believe this "recruiting" happens at all of these schools (both Newman and Monty). I think Newman learned from the Ponzo ordeal and now has the simple fact that they have a strong program going for them (thus players WANT to play football there). It's a lot easier for a kid to get noticed by colleges when playing for a team that travels to the State Championship, then a school that doesn't even make playoffs. Same goes for how much a coach helps out the kid; by sending tapes, talking to coaches, etc.
I personally believe that this recruiting and using the loop holes to play for the better team (of all sports) happens all over the county. I know Windsor kids that used to play for Healdsburg, because at the time Windsor was not good at football.
Everybody wants to win, and it is A LOT easier to change to a winning team then make one....
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Post by scobserver on Aug 12, 2009 19:02:33 GMT -5
Rarely is school explusion permanent. One can often enroll again after good behavior; could be what's up with Young....if so, I just think it would have been better to do so earlier in the summer.
As for teammates feeling betrayed......well, yes, Ben, that's often how youngsters feel when one of their star mates, a team leader, takes off for Newman rather than the school all the other (ex-) teammates are going to attend. It's perceived as insulting at age 13 just as easily as at 15, 16, or 17. Welcome to the feeling.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 12, 2009 19:56:04 GMT -5
Then let me ask a question:
1) A student that plays football truely wants to get an education with smaller class sizes, or attend AP classes, or whatever the reason, and uses this to go to a different school.
2) A coach arranges for a student-athlete from another school to take AP classes at their school, and thus also allow them to play sports at their school.
Question: Which is recruiting and which is not???
BTW... Sam Atoe lives in the Windsor school district.
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Post by newmanfan on Aug 12, 2009 22:05:26 GMT -5
Is he playing for monty or not? by now somebody has to know something.
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Post by cotterstone on Aug 12, 2009 22:10:52 GMT -5
Ben, Your site is a lot of fun. Thank you. When it comes to transfers there are so many loopholes an athlete can use. Hardship of any kind. This could be financial, emotional or a change of address. You can use an extended family as a change of address if you can show that they are making your quality of life better. Most of your members have a valid viewpoint. Loyalty to the program vs Wanting the best for the student athlete. Personally I hope Mr. Young is making the right decision based on what is best for his future both from an academic and sport based viewpoint. Parih you are correct as there is a huge gray area with these rules.
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Post by jbytes on Aug 12, 2009 23:56:23 GMT -5
Wow Ben........you are going to single out guys when your squad has players from every district from Marin to Anderson Valley. Kettle....you're black. Its cool. Juts like Young, or Kyle young, or Ponzo or Pond. They all have a reason right Ben? That reason is to play football. You can use academics as the excuse, but we all know its a scapegoat excuse.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 13, 2009 0:13:27 GMT -5
Come on Jbytes, answer my question: Then let me ask a question:
1) A student that plays football truely wants to get an education with smaller class sizes, or attend AP classes, or whatever the reason, and uses this to go to a different school.
2) A coach arranges for a student-athlete from another school to take AP classes at their school, and thus also allow them to play sports at their school.
Question: Which is recruiting and which is not???
So by your logic, everyone going to Newman that plays football is going there because they were either recruited or they want to play football? This is getting way too sour grapes.
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