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Post by scobserver on Aug 13, 2009 21:56:50 GMT -5
Line from Ben...."So by your logic, everyone going to Newman that plays football is going here because they were either recruited or they want to play football?"
Yes, on the latter part, you nailed it.
C'mon, pretty much every football player at Newman goes there for football. Yes, there's alleged smaller class sizes (okay, so why not Rincon Valley Christian?); alleged better academics (so choose Sonoma Academy--and the many AP programs at most publics are as or near as good.)
Look, I can understand some motivations for private schools, which is not just Newman--yes, discipline is tighter at private schools; yes, there are proportionately fewer "delinquent types" to entice a "good" kid into trouble at private schools, tho by no means are private school kids salt of the earth as some private folks like to suggest. And some, actually, are motivated by religion, or at least the family is. But c'mon, the sports players go primarily because of sports.
I'd rather Newman supporters just say---"look, it's a dog eat dog world, and I want my kid to have what I perceive the school best likely to boost him into a sports scholarship, 'cuz I'm hoping he's as good as I think he is and maybe we can get bites from D1. And if not, at least they'll win boatloads of games. And the other kids can be losers who go to loser schools and can die off like Darwinian misfits for all I care."
And definitely guys, cut the language, this board is not like all the others, I give 100 percent credit and support to Ben to start deleting such posts!
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 13, 2009 22:25:20 GMT -5
I went to Carrillo and Newman, and after trying both, I liked going to Newman a lot more. The way the education was taught to me was more to my liking at Newman. Maybe it was the block classes at Carrillo, maybe it was the teachers, maybe it was the class size, I dont know... I just enjoyed Newman more because they were better IN MY OPINION in all the previously mentioned subjects. Thats why I dont think its so hard to believe student athletes would go to, or go back to Newman. Dan Karbowski did the same thing and he was one of the better line backers on the CN team for class of '03. Recruting had nothing to do with it, IMO and apparently in his, the CN adacemics were 'better'. (Again, 'better' coming from a personal POV).
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Post by jbytes on Aug 13, 2009 22:39:22 GMT -5
For the price to go there.....it damn well better be superior, lol But the truth is Ben, the stats dont support your POV. CN/Ursuline kids perform the same and even a little worse than MC, Monty, and SR students on the SAT/ACT. Its all about personal choice. Some think its worth it to pay 60,000 for a mercedes. ANd some will pay 30,000 for the Toyota camry and feel it is the same quality. But when you got a 2.3 student that wants to go to CN for the education.......I call BS.
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 13, 2009 23:12:10 GMT -5
Still just opinion though...
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Post by pops on Aug 14, 2009 9:08:29 GMT -5
I tried to get my kid to go to Newman for sports, academics, and their ability to teach boys. He was accepted, but did not want to go because their were no girls (at least in immediate touching distance). I threatened him that he must at least maintain a 3.5 GPA to stay where he was. He graduated with a 3.93 average.
Personally I felt Newman would be a great fit. Great academics, teachers that understood boys, and sports programs that I could trust with my kid. I feel we made a mistake, but my son is at a 4 year college and doing fine.
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Post by sikolec on Aug 14, 2009 12:30:29 GMT -5
I tried to get my kid to go to Newman for sports, academics, and their ability to teach boys. He was accepted, but did not want to go because their were no girls (at least in immediate touching distance). I threatened him that he must at least maintain a 3.5 GPA to stay where he was. He graduated with a 3.93 average. Personally I felt Newman would be a great fit. Great academics, teachers that understood boys, and sports programs that I could trust with my kid. I feel we made a mistake, but my son is at a 4 year college and doing fine. I think the biggest difference between Newman and other schools in terms of academics is that the teachers go out of their way to help the students. This isn't to say that some teachers at other schools around the area don't do the same. But all of the teachers at Newman love their jobs, love the students, and will go out of their way to help students. If a student starts to struggle and fail, instead of letting it happen (as seen in other schools) the teacher will get on the kids case to try and help the kid get back on track. Now I'm not saying the teacher will give the kid the grades by any means. Newman is very academically challenging and achieving good grades is a hard task all in its own (although Ursuline in a tougher school academically). In addition to the teachers helping the struggling students, the teacher to student relationships form a tight-knit community feeling at Newman. This results in students constantly returning to the school to visit old teachers and catch up. Now this type of school isn't for everyone, but this is just my opinion on Newman compared to other schools....
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Post by mustang on Aug 16, 2009 0:11:00 GMT -5
Stay on topic. CN had nothing to do with this post. This transfer sucks and clearly points to one person at Monty. Dean Haskins is the athletic director at Monty and a real stand up guy. Dean, please watch this ass. coach (I meant assistant coach) and keep Monty's reputation strong!!!
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Post by Ben Herrington on Aug 16, 2009 0:25:53 GMT -5
I dont think Meredith will be at Monty that long. He has surpassed my expectations by about 10 fold while at Monty. Seeing him at Piner and looking at him now are almost like looking at two different coaches. At the end of the Blue Chip Camp second day, him and Franci got into it big time (again). Lots of yelling. He's rough around the edges, but has done well at Monty. With Franci leaving either this season or next, Monty will need a new coach, more than likely someone who wont put up with him pulling stunts like this, and yelling and screaming, etc.
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Post by newmanfan on Aug 17, 2009 9:18:20 GMT -5
Is Monty gonna play him on varsity?
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Post by gomonty on Aug 19, 2009 23:08:44 GMT -5
YES they are. I have watched practice the past few days. Monty only has a few players who play both ways and you can add him to that list. They have been working him at RB and DB the first few practices. He is getting plenty of reps. I was told that Piner Coach Tomlin does not want to challenge the transfer. Tomlin was very dissapointed that Young transferred however he told Monty coaches that he does not want any kid to have to sit out a season. Other teams in the NBL might not feel the same way but if Piner doesnt challenge it he will most likely be starting on both sides of the ball for us. We have looked very good this week in practice.
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Post by newmanfan on Aug 19, 2009 23:10:43 GMT -5
Now if he transfered to newman it would be a totally different story..
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Post by footballfan on Aug 20, 2009 9:07:22 GMT -5
If that is the case I give Coach Tomlin a lot of credit for being able to see past the BS and not take any oppurtunity away from the young player. There is a lot of politics involved and in no way should it punish the youth players that can not even vote. Now coaches they should be the ones suspended or punished for breaking the rules.
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Post by pops on Aug 20, 2009 12:26:09 GMT -5
Watch the kid not make grades or something and nullify his opportunity.
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Post by firemanbill on Aug 20, 2009 12:45:51 GMT -5
Can another coach block this if Piner allows it? Example: Casa Grande plays Montgomery in meaningful preseason game. Can Casa Grande coaches ask the NCS to look into this transfer? I agree with footballfan's statement that taking it out on the kids is the not the right course of action.
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Post by mistark on Aug 20, 2009 14:05:28 GMT -5
The Athletic Director or Principal can contact the CIF.
Paper work should have been done on this, requiring the ex Head Coach, AD and Principal to all sign off on it. If no paper work was done and he is practicing, then it's undue influence (rendering young ineligible) and Montgomery would get reprimanded with a possible fine, having to attend all section work shops (AD and HC) along with no home playoff games. In 2000 Del Campo was forced to give up all playoff games and River Valley a couple of months ago was forced to pay the fine and attend all CIF work shops.
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