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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Dec 9, 2009 0:08:44 GMT -5
Petaluma had a great run stopping defense too. And a MUCH better offense. The only reason Monty may have a better chance than Petaluma is that they have better size, and I don't think that will be enough. Look for Eureka to run up the score too high for the Vikings. Good luck Monty I keep hearing these comparison to Petaluma's O & D of Montgomery and how they will do vs. Eureka, and I am not sure why. If you look at Petaluma and Montgomery, they are completely different teams. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW BAD PETALUMA DID VS EUREKA. Petaluma just did not have the size to matchup. Petaluma has a good defense, but they did not play a team with size all season long in the SCL, and the first team they did was Eureka in the playoffs. (Casa & Rancho were not as big up front as they normally are). Montgomery has the size on the D line to create havoc at the point of attack so that Eurekas RB's wont be going through a huge hole with a full head of steam like they did last week. They will get their yards, but they won't come as easy. On O, Montgomery has the size to get some push, but they don't need to score a lot to win, they have not scored many points all season long. Their formula for winning this season has not been to try and out score anyone. Again, they are not Petaluma. Football like many sports is about matchups, and Montgomery just looks to matchup better than Petaluma.
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Post by htown707 on Dec 9, 2009 0:53:03 GMT -5
4thqrtcomeback, I could not agree more. The size of Monty's d- and o line is very relevent in this game. I have seen how important it is to have a lot of size on the O and D line following Healdsburg football, Healdsburg has a lot of talent every year, they are good enough to play with just about anybody in the empire. But they just don't have the size to be able to finish, when the game gets to the 4th quarter there is nothing left in the tank. It wasn't that Petaluma was that much worse that Eureka, it was that Eureka was just a lot bigger and they just flat out, won the battle at the line of scrimage. That's where this game will be won on Friday night on both sides of the ball, at the line of scrimage. I also see it very important for Monty to be able to get some kind of passing game going. They don't have to pass for 300 yards, just enough to make Eureka respect the fact that they can throw it a little to force Eureka to back off the line of scrimage a little bit.
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Post by johnnyappleseed on Dec 9, 2009 1:01:21 GMT -5
Size doesnt mean push. Again I go back to the Petaluma comparisons. The Petaluma line has gotten better push than Monty all season including against casa rancho and Newman. So why would Monty's size all of a sudden start getting push on the best team they have played this season? Newsflash, THEY WONT GET PUSH. THey have a bad offense, and like any offense it starts up front. These big guys havent done what you seem to think they will against the NBL, so why do you think they will do it against Eureka?
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Post by hsfbfan on Dec 9, 2009 1:02:29 GMT -5
Max Heller did not have a very good game against Casa, but again just missed a couple of long passes by a very small margin...prior to that, in his prior 5-6 games, he was passing at around a 70% completion clip and in the mid-100 yd. range most games...not huge numbers, but solid enough to keep a defense on its toes. I would not be surprised to see a couple of these just miss passes finally hit their mark, and the o-line will likely give him enough time to be able to do so. This is the most passing a Montgomery team has done in years, and they have 3-4 quality receivers. Don't be surprised if they open it up even more against Eureka.
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Post by poohbear on Dec 9, 2009 1:05:12 GMT -5
"did not play a team with size all season long"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Carrillo have a good size line as well as Windsor? Newman was fairly large too? (at least front 4/5)
and I don't care how good of a push the Monty line gets (which i don't think they will anyway), if those Eureka backers get free like they have it will be lights out for their already struggling offense. With those Eureka linemen getting into the backfield, I think Monty's O will be forced to double team on the line a lot, in turn leaving backers free. On the other side of the ball, my reasoning for Eureka to score was because of their perimeter running they do. Even if the Eureka line doesn't get major push, that big back will be abusing Db's and OLB's like he has all season.
and Johnny, I concur about that undersized petaluma line. yes small, but the push they got up front during egg bowl etc. was absurd. If their left side, the best of the SCL in my opinion, with swanson up there, even remotely struggled getting push then Monty will have their hands full. At least in high school you don't have to be Michael Orr to get push up front
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Post by native on Dec 9, 2009 1:29:05 GMT -5
All this aside, I feel the NCS championship was already played last friday, and Eureka showed that they are the best. I would love to see Monty win, but after going through the match ups on both sides, I don't see it happening.
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Post by sclfan on Dec 9, 2009 1:42:55 GMT -5
After watching Monty play Casa. Petaluma would of beat them no problem. Eureka is going to dominate Monty sorry its true. monty's O is just to weak they could only score 14 on Casa and Casa's D is not that strong Eureka's D swarms to the ball, very physical team . No disrespect but after watching the Casa game not even close 40-0. Eureka is a freaky team. Soma is not the biggest kid on that team.The nose guard is a stud. Petaluma was the only team in 5 games to score an offencive TD not a special team TD a offencive TD Eureka's D is tuff.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Dec 9, 2009 1:52:36 GMT -5
YOU ARE STILL COMPARING MONTGOMERY TO PETALUMA, WHEN TALKING ABOUT HOW MONTGOMERY WILL DO VS. EUREKA. LOL!! This is comical to me.
Teams match-up differently vs. different teams. There may be teams that Petaluma matches up with better than Montgomery, this does not mean that Montgomery can't match-up better vs. Eureka.
And no, compared to Montgomery's lines, Windsor, Carrillo, and Newman are not big. Have you seen Montgomery play in person? You talk about push with the O-line which is fine, but I'm talking about how Montgomery's big tenacious D-Line will do Vs. Eureka. They(Monty) simply are very good up front, and have the potential to cause more problems for Eureka at the point of attack which will intern alter the running lanes, and force the backs to cut it up into the LB's instead of having huge holes on the outside vs. DB’s.
Does Montgomery have their work cut out for them? YES.
Do they match-up better with Eureka than anyone Eureka has faced since PV (Pleasant Valley, not Pinole)? I think so.
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Post by poohbear on Dec 9, 2009 2:09:40 GMT -5
Ok, I realize that Montgomery's line is big. where was this "big tenacious D-Line" against Casa when they gave up 21? Their D shutout a sputtering Newman, ok? Where are the teams on Montgomery's schedule with the mystical huge lineman you speak of that petaluma didn't face?
And yes, those Eureka lineman were something Petaluma hadn't faced, but Montgomery hasn't seen many teams with huge lineman either. How can you be so sure that Montgomery's line will hold so strong vs Eureka's D?
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Post by sclfan on Dec 9, 2009 2:11:53 GMT -5
I get ur point but Monty looked weak against Casa Eureka 40+ to 0
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Dec 9, 2009 2:23:46 GMT -5
Ok, I realize that Montgomery's line is big. where was this "big tenacious D-Line" against Casa when they gave up 21? Their D shutout a sputtering Newman, ok? Where are the teams on Montgomery's schedule with the mystical huge lineman you speak of that petaluma didn't face? And yes, those Eureka lineman were something Petaluma hadn't faced, but Montgomery hasn't seen many teams with huge lineman either. How can you be so sure that Montgomery's line will hold so strong vs Eureka's D? Grant had the big boys, and yes I realize Grant is a giant powerhouse, but we all know how Montgomery did then. 1. Montgomery's D gave up 2 TD’s to Casa in the first game. Casa won on the Kick off return in the 3rd qtr (Their 3rd TD). 2. I never said Monty played teams with big lines, just that they are big, so they should match-up better in the trenches. 3. Comparing Grant to any team around here is pointless. They would beat any team in the NCS D2 by as much as they wanted. 4. I'm not sure Montgomery's line will be able to hold Eureka, I just simply said that they would match-up better. Petaluma had a great team this year, but they just ran into a team that they did not match-up well against. I just happen to think Montgomery has the potential to match-up better with Eureka due to their size. Why is this so hard to comprehend? I guess we agree to disagree. We'll see on Friday.
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Post by poohbear on Dec 9, 2009 2:33:47 GMT -5
I'm not defending Petaluma's finish, and I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just trying to put forth what i believe will happen in the game and why. If Eureka wins, It will simply be what the outcome I expect. If, I'm wrong, I will humbly accept it and realize I was wrong about Montgomery matching up. I understand where you are coming from.
and I agree about Grant, I know they are out of the league of any team around here by far. edited.
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Dec 9, 2009 2:38:01 GMT -5
I'm not even sure if I think Monty is going to win. I just think they match up better, and if they play to their ability, and don't turn the ball over then they have a shot.
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Post by poohbear on Dec 9, 2009 2:42:28 GMT -5
Fair enough, I guess we will see Friday... like you said agree to disagree. and I don't mean any disrespect, just stating my opinion
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Post by 4thqtrcomeback on Dec 9, 2009 2:47:03 GMT -5
I hear you, this is all in good fun anyways. We're just a couple of guys that enjoy the game, with two different view points.
I'm just looking forward to this Friday's game.
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